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?s. of John Say of Podington, Beds. by his w. Matilda. Genealogist, n.s. vii. 57. m. (1) Nov. 1446, CPR, 1446-52, p. 23; CCR, 1441-7, p. 441. Elizabeth (d. 25 Sept. 1473), da. of Laurence Cheyne*, wid. of Frederick Tilney of Ashwellthorpe, Norf., 4s. inc. William†, 5da.; (2) c.1474, Agnes (d. 12 June 1478), C140/67/45. da. of John Danvers*, wid. of Thomas Baldington of Aldbury, Herts., Sir John Fray† (d.1461), of London and Munden Furnival, Herts. and John Wenlock*, Lord Wenlock. Dist. Herts. 1457, 1465; Kntd. 23 May 1465.
Offices Held

Envoy to France to treat for Hen. VI’s marriage Feb. – June 1444, with the duke of Burgundy’s commissaries about a truce and trade 9 Jan. 1467.

Yeoman of the Crown 19 Dec. 1444-aft. Sept. 1448; CPR, 1441–6, p. 347; E101/409/18. esquire for the King’s body 13 Nov. 1454–? PPC, vi. 223.

Keeper of privy palace, Westminster 8 Mar. 1445-c. June 1450, jt. with John Rede 19 Sept. 1452–?d. CPR, 1441–6, p. 330; 1452–61, p. 15; J.S. Roskell, Speakers, 234n.

Escheator, Cambs. and Hunts. 4 Nov. 1445 – 3 Nov. 1446, Norf. and Suff. 4 Nov. 1446 – 3 Nov. 1447.

Commr of inquiry, Cambs., Hunts. Feb. 1448 (concealments), Hants Mar. 1450 (treasons, felonies, rebellions), Herts. May 1454 (escapes of felons), Mar. 1462 (alleged unjust disseisin of John Doreward and William Mulsho by Richard, duke of York), Aug. 1464 (Thomas Barrington’s claims to certain lands), Aug. 1464 (claim of Elizabeth Vynter, widow, to certain lands), Mar. 1466 (petition of Luke Vynter, regarding same), Apr. 1468 (petition of John Horne alias Litelbury about manor of Buckland), Apr. 1473 (county farms owed to the King), Essex, Herts. Mar. 1478 (lands of duke of Clarence); to distribute tax allowance, Cambs. Aug. 1449, Herts. June 1453, June 1468; treat for loans, Cambs. Sept. 1449, Herts. Dec. 1452, May 1455; PPC, vi. 239. of oyer and terminer, London Mar. 1450, Northants. Apr. 1450; arrest, Herts. Dec. 1451, Oct. 1457, Dec. 1470; gaol delivery, Hertford July 1454, Dec. 1455, Mar. 1458, Mar, Sept. 1462, Mar. 1463, Apr. 1465, Nov. 1473, Ely Apr. 1458; C66/465, m. 6d; 478, m. 6d; 481, m. 22d; 485, m. 17d; 499, mm. 5d, 21d; 505, m. 18d; 512, mm. 11d, 15d; 531, m. 2d. array, Cambs. Sept. 1457, Herts. Sept. 1457, Dec. 1459, Oct. 1469, Feb. 1470, Mar. 1472; to assign archers Dec. 1457; urge the raising of a fleet against the King’s enemies of France and Scotland, Essex, Herts., Suff. June 1461; of sewers, river Lea in Essex and Herts. Feb. 1477.

J.p. Cambs. 12 Feb. 1448 – Nov. 1458, Herts. 10 June 1454 – Nov. 1465, q. 18 Nov. 1465 – d.

Commr. of gaol delivery, Ely, for bp. of Ely July 1448. Cambridge Univ. Lib., Ely Diocesan recs., G1/4 (Reg. Bourgchier), f. 18.

Speaker 1449 (Feb.), 1463, 1467.

Sheriff, Norf. and Suff. 20 Dec. 1449 – 2 Dec. 1450.

Chancellor of duchy of Lancaster and county palatine of Lancaster 23 Sept. 1450 – 10 June 1471, 3 Nov. 1477–d. R. Somerville, Duchy, i. 390–1.

Member of Hen. VI’s Council c. Nov. 1453-c.1458, of Edw. IV’s Council 1461 – ?71, of Edw. IV’s great council in Eng. July – Sept. 1475.

Steward for the duke of York at Hitchin, Herts. from 4 Dec. 1453 and at Standon and Anstey, Herts. by Sept. 1459, SC6/870/4. at Standon, Anstey and Hitchin for the dowager duchess of York 28 Aug. 1461–?, SC6/870/5, rots. 1d, 3, 4d. for the duke of Norfolk in Herts. bef. 1472-aft. Mich. 1475. L.E. Moye, ‘Estates and Finances of the Mowbray Fam.’ (Duke Univ. Ph.D. thesis, 1985), 428.

Under treasurer prob. May 1455 – Sept. 1456, c. July 1460-c. June 1463, 3 Apr. 1475–d. PRO List ‘Exchequer Officers’, 198, 199.

Jt. coroner of the marshalsea of the Household (with his bro. Thomas) 26 Nov. 1457–?d. CPR, 1452–61, p. 399.

Parlty. cttee. investigating corruption at the Mint May 1468.

Keeper of the great wardrobe 13 Oct. 1476 – d.

Parlimentarian
SAY, John II (d.1478), of London and Broxbourne, Herts.
Main residences: London; Broxbourne, Herts.
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C.E.M.
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Commons 1422-1461
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